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[Assistant Editor's  note: this looks like a deliberate conspiracy to slam the borders with known sick immigrants to spread disease as well as chaos into the country. There's just no other explanation for the things that Obama has allowed to happen on the US borders. A scary thought would  be that if the US is infected with so many diseases as a result of this  breach, that Eastern countries justify the use of a nuclear defense response as an excuse to prevent any such diseases from leaving the US into their countries such so much of the world's international travel comes from the US.]

A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say.

In spite of the threat, several former camp workers broke their confidentiality agreements and shared exclusive details with me about the dangerous conditions at the camp. They said taxpayers deserve to know about the contagious diseases and the risks the children pose to Americans. I have agreed to not to disclose their identities because they fear retaliation and prosecution.

“There were several of us who wanted to talk about the camps, but the agents made it clear we would be arrested,” a psychiatric counselor told me. “We were under orders not to say anything.”

The sources said workers were guarded by a security force from the Baptist Family & Children’s Services, which the Department of Health and Human Services hired to run the Lackland Camp.

The sources say security forces called themselves the “Brown Shirts.”

“It was a very submissive atmosphere,” the counselor said. “Once you stepped onto the grounds, you abided by their laws – the Brown Shirt laws.”

She said the workers were stripped of their cellphones and other communication devices. Anyone caught with a phone was immediately fired.

“Everyone was paranoid,” she said. “The children had more rights than the workers.”

She said children in the camp had measles, scabies, chicken pox and strep throat as well as mental and emotional issues.

“It was not a good atmosphere in terms of health,” she said. “I would be talking to children and lice would just be climbing down their hair.”
FULL ARTICLE ON FOX NEWS

 

See also Alex Jones “Borders Open To Terrorists”.

Lambesis

A so-called Christian heavy metal band whose frontman was convicted of attempting to hire a hitman to murder his estranged wife has admitted that it duped fans into believing that they were Christian in order to sell their music.

“Truthfully, I was an atheist,” Tim Lambesis, the lead singer and founder of As I Lay Dying told theAlternative Press in a recent interview. “I actually wasn’t the first guy in As I Lay Dying to stop being a Christian. In fact, I think I was the third. The two who remained kind of stopped talking about it, and then I’m pretty sure they dropped it, too.”

The publication noted that his wife, Meggan, had likewise divulged in divorce papers that Lambesis had become an atheist. Lambesis, in admitting his atheism, outlined that he turned away from Christianity as he majored in religious studies while attending college through a long distance program.

“In the process of trying to defend my faith, I started thinking the other point of view was the stronger one,” he said. “I remember one Christian festival where an interviewer wanted one of the guys [in the band] to share his testimony, and he just froze up and let one of the guys who was still a Christian at the time answer the question,” Lambesis recalled. “We laughed about it afterward, but we were only laughing because it was so awkward.”

Read the rest of the article here.

I understand that my opinion of the Ergun Caner controversy isn’t boding well with friends I have over in the Non Calvinist camp, but I can not apologize for the facts I have studied that have led me to a clear and convincing conclusion that Caner’s consistently changing stories are so bewildering that I could not in good conscience recommend such character as an example to be followed by students eager to learn God’s ways in their Christian walk.

As a former paralegal and intelligence analyst, of the many inconsistencies I’ve discovered in my own research of Caner’s claims was Caner’s claims to have been raised a Jihadist until he was 17 years old (although this video says he was 15 when he converted) : and the lack of the US intelligence agencies’ responses to that claim. Certainly, if Caner would have been interrogated by agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agencies (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA) or Homeland Security,  INTERPOL, or in Israel, Mossad, this would have been an incredible boost to his resume, and added credibility to his claim that he had in fact, been raised a Jihadist.

Since Caner claimed to have been raised Jihadist, this means that the sentiment would have been a familial goal. That being the case, every intelligence agency worth its salt would have wanted to question Ergun, and know the extent of his father’s involvement, if any, and if such intention still exists. They would have wanted to know who his trainers were, the locations of the Madrasas in Beirut (especially Beirut, since Hezbollah has many operations in Lebanon and is funded with millions of dollars by Iran), the identities of the leaders of any particular cell operations and where they were located, how many contacts did his father have, etc. If Caner was “raised” a Jihadist, then his father in coming to America would no doubt have had a specific plan, possible targets, and many Jihadists wait several years in order to implement such schemes at opportune times. Thus any information that could have been gleaned from not only Caner, but his brothers, mother,  father, and friends, would have been of extreme relevance, value and importance to intelligence agencies. Just because Caner converted, does not mean his past would cease to be relevant to intelligence agencies. On the contrary, it would become even more relevant because there’s always a possibility that the conversion could be a way to hide in plain site.

However, not once has Caner ever mentioned being detained or interrogated by any intelligence agencies, nor has he ever mentioned that anyone in his family has ever undergone the same. This would be HIGHLY unlikely and contrary to every known protocol among intelligence agencies not to thoroughly interrogate the Caners once Ergun declared publicly (even once to a group of United States military troops) that he was raised a Jihadist.

Furthermore, although most terrorist cells operate in small groups, once a cell has been compromised, those at the top of the food chain of that cell go to extremes to “tie up loose ends”. And because Jihadists use various intimidation tactics, they would have wanted Caner to know that  his actions in converting cost the lives of those whom he was trained with; yea they would have bragged about it, and used it as an example of what happens to those who defect. None of this is ever mentioned by Caner.

It also begs the question as to what extent any threats still exist. If Caner was raised a Jihadist, he was not raised in it alone. Now I affirm that Christ can save anyone (Heb 7:25), and I don’t want to cast doubt on Ergun or Emir’s conversions, but being converted does not eliminate the potential threat that could still exist. Even though Caner’s conversion was long ago, it is not uncommon for terrorist plots to take several years to come to fruition. As such, Ergun and Emir Caner would owe it to the citizens of America to cooperate with intelligence agencies in confirming their Jihadist plots and connections because the plot (if any) may have changed players, but that doesn’t mean the plot itself has changed, and the fact that Caner has been completely dishonest about his testimony should raise great alarm as to whether or not there may be a remaining threat if he was truly raised a Jihadist.

I don’t know why this issue has not been raised by those defending Caner, and even seems to be a matter that has been unnoticed by his opponents. I believe that Ergun Caner owes it to the American citizens and the intelligence communities to confirm whether or not any potential threats still exist. I’m sure that Lebanon would also appreciate knowing where these training centers are located so they could determine if they are still in use, and if the same people are still involved. That would also certainly be valuable information to US and Israeli intelligence. If the Caner’s father was building mosques inside America, and was an admitted Jihadist, where did the funds come from for the building projects? and did the Imams of those Mosques share the same sentiments as the Caners?

Ergun Caner has opened a can of worms with this side of his testimony and I believe there are several important issues that need to be resolved so that the citizens of America (and wherever else he trained for these Jihadist purposes) can feel safe in knowing that Caner has done all he can to insure that there will be no collateral damage as a result of his defecting from his childhood purpose, or that whatever crowd he was involved with is no longer a threat. But the fact that, as far as I have researched, Ergun has been completely silent about intelligence efforts to determine the extent of his involvement and whether or not there are any remaining potential threats is a very odd omission in his testimony.

Perhaps those reading this will yet believe Caner’s testimony. But in light of the afore mentioned factors, are you willing to take the chance that you could be wrong?

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One additional note on Caner’s claim is that he stated to have been shocked at the 911 attacks. If he was trained to do exactly what was done on 911, converted or not, why would he be shocked? The 911 attacks should have come as no surprise to him.

*The claim that Caner was trained as a Sunni terrorist in Beirut is an odd claim in that the only known Sunni terrorist camps in that area are at that time were Al Qaeda, the rest are Shiite Muslims, Hezbollah in particular.

Updated November 6, 2013 (first published January 24, 2012) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org) -

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This is a warning about the dangerous waters of evangelicalism and the fact that many fundamental Baptists are building bridges to these waters.

Recently I received an e-mail from a father who said that his church has begun using John MacArthur’s material for Sunday School. He asked, “Should a parent like myself be concerned?”

I replied:

“I would be extremely concerned if a church started using MacArthur’s material. Not only is he a staunch Calvinist who believes that one must be born again in order to believe, but he is a worldly rock & roll evangelical.”

In spite of the many good things in MacArthur’s teaching and his gift in exposition, Bible-believing parents should be deeply concerned about building bridges to him.

The first part of the following report is from the Middletown Bible Church, Middletown, Connecticut (no date), http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/separate/macrock.htm

John MacArthur hosts a youth conference which is called the “Resolved Conference.” Thousands of young people attend and listen to Christian lyrics sung to the heavy drum beat of rock music. There is no question that rock music is accepted and approved by John MacArthur and his church. This can be verified by going to the “Resolved” website [http://www.resolved.org/].

Peter Masters, Pastor of London’s famous Metropolitan Tabernacle where Spurgeon preached, wrote an article entitled, “The Merger of Calvinism with Worldliness.”  An excerpt from this article follows:

“When I was a youngster and newly saved, it seemed as if the chief goal of all zealous Christians, whether Calvinistic or Arminian, was consecration. Sermons, books and conferences stressed this in the spirit of Romans 12.1-2, where the beseeching apostle calls believers to present their bodies a living sacrifice, and not to be conformed to this world. The heart was challenged and stirred. Christ was to be Lord of one’s life, and self must be surrendered on the altar of service for him.

“But now, it appears, there is a new Calvinism, with new Calvinists, which has swept the old objectives aside. A recent book, Young, Restless, Reformed, by Collin Hansen tells the story of how a so-called Calvinistic resurgence has captured the imaginations of thousands of young people in the USA, and this book has been reviewed with great enthusiasm in well-known magazines in the UK, such as Banner of TruthEvangelical Times, and Reformation Today. This writer, however, was very deeply saddened to read it, because it describes a seriously distorted Calvinism falling far, far short of an authentic life of obedience to a sovereign God. If this kind of Calvinism prospers, then genuine biblical piety will be under attack as never before. The author of the book is a young man (around 26 when he wrote it) who grew up in a Christian family and trained in secular journalism. We are indebted to him for the readable and wide-reaching survey he gives of this new phenomenon, but the scene is certainly not a happy one.“The author begins by describing the Passion, conference at Atlanta in 2007, where 21,000 young people revelled in contemporary music, and listened to speakers such as John Piper proclaiming Calvinistic sentiments. And this picture is repeated many times through the book – large conferences being described at which the syncretism of worldly, sensation-stirring, high-decibel, rhythmic music, is mixed with Calvinistic doctrine.“We are told of thunderous music, thousands of raised hands, ‘Christian’ hip-hop and rap lyrics (the examples seeming inept and awkward in construction) uniting the doctrines of grace with the immoral drug-induced musical forms of worldly culture. Resolved is the brainchild of a member of Dr John MacArthur’s pastoral staff, gathering thousands of young people annually, and featuring the usual mix of Calvinism and extreme charismatic-style worship. Young people are encouraged to feel the very same sensational nervous impact of loud rhythmic music on the body that they would experience in a large, worldly pop concert, complete with replicated lighting and atmosphere. At the same time they reflect on predestination and election. Worldly culture provides the bodily, emotional feelings, into which Christian thoughts are infused and floated. Biblical sentiments are harnessed to carnal entertainment.’ (Pictures of this conference on their website betray the totally worldly, show business atmosphere created by the organizers.)“Truly proclaimed, the sovereignty of God must include consecration, reverence, sincere obedience to his will, and separation from the world. You cannot have Puritan soteriology without Puritan sanctification. You should not entice people to Calvinistic (or any) preaching by using worldly bait. We hope that young people in this movement will grasp the implications of the doctrines better than their teachers, and come away from the compromises. But there is a looming disaster in promoting this new form of Calvinism” (Peter Masters, “The Merger of Calvinism with Worldliness”).

MacArthur’s use of rock music in his own church is puzzling in light of the excellent statements he has made in the past against rock music, such as the following:

“Our music cannot be like the music of the world, because our God is not like their gods. Most of the world’s music reflects the world’s ways, the world’s standards, the world’s attitudes, the world’s gods. To attempt to use such music to reach the world is to lower the gospel in order to spread the gospel. If the world hears that our music is not much different from theirs, it will also be inclined to believe that the Christian way of life is not much different from theirs” (The MacArthur New Testament Commentary (1986)see discussion of Ephesians 5:20, p. 260).

“The association of hard rock with violence, blasphemy, sadomasochism, sexual immorality and perversion, alcohol and drugs, and Eastern mysticism and the occult are not accidental. they are fed from the same ungodly stream. A leading rock singer once said, ‘Rock has always been the devil’s music. It lets in the baser elements.’ Putting a Christian message in such a musical form [rock style] does not elevate the form but degrades the message to the level already established in the culture by that form” (The MacArthur New Testament Commentary, see discussion of Ephesians 5:20, p. 261).

“It should be noted that the many contemporary entertainers who think they are using their rock–style music to evangelize the lost are often doing nothing more than contributing to the weakening of the church. Evangelizing with contemporary music has many serious flaws. It tends to create pride in the musicians rather than humility. It makes the gospel a matter of entertainment when there is not one thing in it that is at all entertaining. It makes the public proclaimers of Christianity those who are popular and talented in the world’s eyes, rather than those who are godly and gifted teachers of God’s truth. In using the world’s genres of music, it blurs the gap between worldly Satanic values and divine ones. It tends to deny the power of the simple gospel and the sovereign saving work of the Holy Spirit. It creates a wide generation gap in the church, thus contributing to the disunity and lack of intimacy in the fellowship of all believers. It leads to the propagation of bad or weak theology and drags the name of the Lord down to the level of the world. The music of the gospel is certainly not a legitimate means for making money or seeking fame, and it must never be allowed to cheapen what is priceless, or trivialize what is profound” (The MacArthur New Testament Commentary, see discussion of Ephesians 5:19, p. 257).

“Rock music, with its bombastic atonality and dissonance, is the musical mirror of the hopeless, standardless, purposeless philosophy that rejects both God and reason and floats without orientation in a sea of relativity and unrestrained self–expression. The music has no logical progression because it comes from a philosophy that renounces logic. It violates the brain because its philosophy violates reason. It violates the spirit, because its philosophy violates truth and goodness. And it violates God, because its philosophy violates all authority outside of self” (The MacArthur New Testament Commentary, see discussion of Ephesians 5:19-20, p. 261).

“It [rock music] does this by catering to pride, by being grounded in emotion, by appealing to the flesh, by watering down the message, by sending a false impression of the nature of the gospel, and by cheapening the Christian life.” Seehttp://data.bereanwife.com/ccm_pdf.pdf

“Now I believe that basically speaking, rock music in and of itself is problematic—period. And I believe that for many reasons. One is: rock music is a product of a disoriented, despairing, drug-related sex-mad generation. There’s no question about that. The first big rock singer was Elvis Presley, who killed himself with drugs and who went through women, you know, continuously. And he gave rise to the whole rock generation. He was the first, and his whole act was sexual, sensual, you know; it was terrible. Nowadays we think he was comical because we’ve come so far. But the vernacular of rock music at this particular point represents a generation that I have real trouble identifying with. And what happens is if you put a Christian message in that vernacular, I think Christianity suffers immensely because I don’t think you can take that kind of medium and use it to propagate a Christian message” [Transcribed from the tape, GC 1301-R, titled "Bible Questions and Answers Part 20." All Rights Reserved.]

We fully agree with these strong statements against rock music by John MacArthur. However, by tolerating and allowing rock music in his own church, MacArthur either does not practice what he preaches or he has changed his position on music, and no longer believes what he once preached.
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CONCLUSION BY BROTHER CLOUD

Indeed, John MacArthur is facing two ways in regard to the heresy of “cultural liberalism.” On one hand he reproves the emerging “new Calvinists” for their worldliness, while on the other hand he engages in that very thing.

In an interview with Alex Crain of Christianity.com, which was posted on YouTube, Aug. 18, 2011, MacArthur said:

“The fear is that the power of the world’s attraction is going to suck these guys and every generation after them, more and more into the culture, and we’re going to see a reversal of the Reformed revival. … My fear is that the further this thing goes in trying to accommodate the culture, the less it’s going to be able to hang on to that core doctrine” (“MacArthur Predicts Reversal of the Reformed Revival – Part 1,” http://youtu.be/xYhmo5gabQU).

MacArthur, who rightly warns that the heresy of cultural liberalism puts the next generation at risk, is referring to the popular philosophy which was enunciated by Mark Driscoll as the combination of “theological conservatism with cultural liberalism,” which is not new but has always been a major element of New Evangelicalism. It entails such things as Christian rock, drinking, champagne dance parties, beer brewing lessons, gambling nights, hula “worship,” analyzing R-rated movies for “edification,” and performing secular rock in the context of “worship.”

[Editor's Note: For an example of MacArthurites analyzing R-Rated movies, see our article on How James White Helps Spread Islam and Atheism, where Fred Butler's {an employee of John MacArthur} glowing reviews of Batman and Star Wars are discussed]

What MacArthur says about the danger of cultural liberalism is true, but his condemnation of it is grossly ineffective and hypocritical because he is guilty of it.

Camp Regeneration, a youth camp hosted by MacArthur for “churches throughout the nation each July,” is rife with cultural liberalism.

High school boys and girls dress immodestly, engage in questionable activities (such as girls getting covered with wet mud in the presence of boys) and rock out to rap music performed by ear-ringed, tattooed hip-hop artists in an atmosphere of darkened auditoriums, flashing lights, and smoke.

The Master’s College, which is headed by MacArthur, hosted a hip-hop concert in December 2011 featuring Lecrae, Trip Lee, Tadashii, Sho Baraka, DJ Official, and THI’SL. The Master’s College students produce pop/rap/country rock videos with full blown dance routines and covers of secular rock songs. They host a Fall Thing event that is extremely worldly. In 2011 the theme was “Unrestricted Reality,” and the students donned costumes imitating characters from Star Wars, sci-fi fantasy, super heroes, and the pop culture in general. This plays right into the hands of the culture’s fascination with fantasy and the devil’s use of it to corrupt men’s minds. The young people wouldn’t want to dress up this way unless their minds and hearts were already infatuated with Hollywood.

The Master’s College’s annual Week of Welcome features beach activities and pool parties complete with girls in tight and very skimpy bathing suits. (All of this is evident from the photos placed at the Flickr pages owned by the camp and school and from YouTube clips. See http://www.pccmonroe.org/2011/10.htm.)

Can someone tell me how MacArthur is leading the way against the adaptation of the sensual pop culture and why he is a safe “conservative” to follow? He was correct in observing that cultural liberalism will ruin the youth and eventually destroy sound doctrine, and his own flock will be the proof of it, as will those of every foolish pastor that follows in his footsteps.

Many fundamental Baptists are on the same destructive path, as we have documented in the free eBook “Biblical Separatism and Its Collapse Among Fundamental Baptists.” See www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/.
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I believe the crux of this article to be so profound that it doesn’t need to be very long. Suffice it to say, other than maybe this website, and a very small handful of other Non Calvinists, the majority of those who have chased after Ergun Caner have been Calvinist pastors, authors, and churches. Should Ergun Caner be “exposed”? We think he has been, but it has now become such an obsession among the Calvinists that they have stooped to extremely unchristian tactics, created fake profiles (one of them is called “Lumpy Peter” which I believe belongs  to Jim De Arras) and videos to chastise Caner’s supporters (some using bikini clad women and bar scenes full of debauchery), and downright deceitful and lying methods in order to justify their pursuit of repentance and justice (which we have documented in our last several articles which you can view on the left side under “Recent Posts”).

Now here’s the punchline:

IF THESE SAME CALVINISTS WOULD HAVE PURSUED THE PERPETRATORS IN THE SOVEREIGN GRACE MINISTRY SEX ABUSE COVER UP SCANDALS WITH THE SAME RIGOR, THERE MAY BE FEW LESS PERVERTS RUNNING AROUND IN THEIR MINISTRY AND A LOT MORE JUSTICE, WITH A FEW MORE PARENTS FEELING ITS SAFER TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN TO SONDAY SCHOOL.

Now I believe that there is a legitimate complaint against Ergun Caner, but I also believe that so much noise has been made about it to divert attention away from the publicity that many Calvinist churches have received over the sex scandals that have plagued the Sovereign Grace Ministries and other Southern Baptist Convention churches. It’s like watching the Bill Clinton scandal. When the media attention became too much, Clinton diverted attention from the impeachment trials by bombing Northern Africa.

JD Hall of Reformation Montana, who recently interviewed James White on the Caner scandal, admitted that he said Brewton-Parker college hated Muslims because they hired Ergun Caner. While I certainly question the discernment (or lack thereof) of BP hiring Caner, to make such an ignorant angry statement that this college hates Muslims is irresponsible, and could prove to be dangerous for students of that college. Radical Muslims (who really don’t need any other excuse than that a person is Jewish, American or Christian) could take this statement and use it to justify attacking Brewton-Parker students whom they believe “hate Muslims” because some popular Calvinist radio show host broadcasted this sentiment all over the internet and radio waves.

But did Hall repent for this? Did he apologize? Did he ask forgiveness from those it could have harmed? Of course not. Sure, he admitted that he said it in anger, and that it was a stupid comment, but what if Timothy Rogers had made that same statement? You can bet that Hall would have fired up the phone lines and demanded that his followers deliver Rogers head on a charger.

So while the Caner defenders may have “Canerized” their arguments in defense of Caner, Caner’s opponents have “Servetisized” those who have defended Caner. Those in pursuit of Caner have failed to see just how counter-productive their methods have been which has and will continue to push Caner and his supporters further into their defensiveness.

However, one can’t help but notice how the Reformed churches are using this event to vilify all of the Non Calvinist churches. Caner and Norman Geisler have now become the poster models for all that’s wrong with the Un-Calvinized. JD Hall has even opined that Caner and any of his supporters are unregenerate children of the devil. The impression that this gives which inadvertently gives Calvinists an argumentative advantage in the debate over Calvinism is that those on the fence about the “doctrines of grace” choose Calvinism by default if the opposition can prove that the leaders of Calvinist opposition are not saved. It’s an underhanded debate tactic that takes a worthy complaint and gives it a double-edged sword in its attack against the dissenters (which I presume is why Peter Lumpkins wrote an article about “The Real Evangelical Cover Up” about the Calvinists defense of John Calvin’s treatment of Michael Servetus).

To James White’s credit, I have not seen him stoop to some of the PERSONAL gutless and degrading tactics used by some of Caner’s opponents although I still question some of his other motives (as explained above).Yet as the most outspoken critic on this issue, even admittedly “taking the lead” on it, neither has White decried and repudiated the tactics of those on his side. Since many of the Caner supporters look up to White, White could simply say, “Look fellas, we have a legitimate gripe here, but we’re not going to accomplish anything if we pursue it like heathens”. So White’s tacit support of such antics makes him just as complicit in them.

Going back to the beginning of this article, will these same combatants deal with their own in the same manner as they have pursued Caner when sexual abuse has threatened to define their character? James White has not considered this travesty an apologetics issue even though he aggressively (and rightly so) attacks the views of the homosexual community. Should not preaching about the proper role of sex between a man and a woman not include the proper relationship between a man/woman and a child? When so many have left the churches over the abuse of their children and turned to atheism, agnosticism, skepticism (see any of our articles on the “Do Right” Cults and Stuff Fundies Like websites for documentation on this) how is that NOT an apologetics issue? Teaching the “whole counsel of God” is not just about “winning debates” against those antagonistic to the Christian faith. Apologetics is about giving an answer to those who have reasons to reject Christianity.

Not that we will ever agree with Calvinists or those in the Southern Baptist Convention doctrinally, or in their liberal standards of Christian conduct (dress, music, etc..) but it would be nice to see some consistency among those who name the name of Christ because even though I would never identify myself with those groups or denominations, when we debate those in the world they don’t see Calvinist, or independent Baptist, they see “Christians” acting like morons, and it DOES have an impact on the ability to effectively present the gospel to lost souls.

[We have been given recent information that dramatically changes our view of the James White/Patty Bonds conflict, and any mention of this conflict does not reflect how we at DRC currently feel about our previous mentions toward White about it]

Tim Rogers is a pastor of a Baptist church in North Carolina. On December 29, 2013, Rogers expressed his ire at James White and several other “Tweeters” that follow White regarding White’s personal vendetta against Ergun Caner carried on for several years now which has become an obvious obsession of Dr. White’s and his ilk.

On a side note, regardless of White’s motive, which I believe to be reprehensible in the manner in which he and his followers have pursued Ergun Caner, particularly in cooperation with Muslims, Ergun Caner has displayed actions that simply can not be explained any other way than deliberate embellishments of his debates and his upbringing. As a certified legal assistance and former intelligence officer that has conducted numerous investigations and thousands of hours of legal research, I can say that I am comfortable with affirming the evidence that White has gathered against Ergun Caner is credible. As much as I despise White’s theology and his antics, I’ve found very little in the evidence he has presented against 2 major issues I stated above that I do not believe Caner can give a answer to.

Nevertheless, whatever conclusions that Tim Rogers has arrived at concerning his complaints, he did not deserve the type of treatment that he was threatened with by professing Christians. When Rogers pointed out that White’s sister had accused him of threatening her when she attempted to talk him about their father molesting her, White pulled the “rebuke not an elder” card  and blamed her story of being molested on her being “apostate“( a typical misinterpretation of 1 Timothy that I have even seen many times even among my own Baptist brothers), after all, if you’re a Roman Catholic, you weren’t really raped. Typical denial-by-character-assassination. It is ironic that White accused Rogers of “siding with Rome” because the rape victim is Catholic, when White himself has sided with TERRORIST MUSLIMS in obtaining information against Ergun Caner. White says Chris Pinto is a “conspiracy theorist” and yet his sister’s complaining about being raped is a Roman Catholic conspiracy against his preaching against them! My what tangled webs are weaved.

White’s followers threatened to disseminate Rogers telephone number on a radio national radio show:

JD Hall‏@PulpitAndPen @Timothy_Rogers@DrOakley1689 Tim, I will be calling you on the phone tomorrow to ask you to repent for these tweets. Please expect my call.
Tim Rogers ‏@Timothy_Rogers10h @PulpitAndPen@DrOakley1689 JD, do not call me. I will file stalking charges
JD Hall ‏@PulpitAndPen9h @Timothy_Rogers I WILL call you. File whatever you want. Then I will call your association members. Then your church members. Repent

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JD Hall ‏@PulpitAndPen9h @Timothy_Rogers You are of your father, the devil. Caner’s defenders, as Rogers demonstrates, are lost men.
 ‏@PulpitAndPen9h I will call you. The #pulpiteers will call you. Listeners will call you. And your association. And your church members.

@DrOakley1689 is @Timothy_Rogers hiding in your bushes?

Jeremy ‏@CelticTornado10h @DrOakley1689@Timothy_Rogers I will take the low road…shut your mouth, get off twitter and get on your knees Tim
Alpha&Omega Ministry ‏@AominOrg12m @Timothy_Rogers I am done with you sir. You disgust me and I pray God will bring you low.
I’m not even going to bother posting some of the other responses as they are too vile and x-rated to post. Needless to say that White’s followers, some in which are pastors and radio show hosts, have displayed some of the most wicked and ungodly personal attacks I’ve seen on a blog or website among professing Christians. Men like White, Hall, Fred Butler, may be saved (I won’t vouch for their testimonies), but are some of the most pathetic excuses I’ve seen for Christians.
It is ironic that White and all of his followers expect everyone to read White’s documentation against Caner, but when Rogers gave the citation where Patty Bonds (White’s sister) very detailed story of sexual abuse can be found, not one of White’s followers bothered to comment on it. They simply attacked Rogers, threatened him, all without evaluating the evidence that he posted that is publicly available for anyone to read. We explained in our Response To James White why addressing such issues is important in which White merely brushed it off as “I am apologist, that’s not what I do”. Of course not. He only “exposes” those outside of his camp because White is attempting to set himself up as the sole guru of the apologetics world, and personally vilify anyone that opposes his brand of Calvinism and Bibliophobia.
White and his followers actions certainly resemble how their fathers, John Calvin and Augustine treated those who disagreed with them.
If White or any of his followers have called YOU or your church in a harassing manner, here’s a link on what you can do about it from a California website that offers a very good explanation on the issue. You may also file a complaint with your local law enforcement and state attorney general’s office.
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UPDATE 12/31/13:
True to his threat, Jordon “JD” Hall posted Rogers information on his website, and asked his followers to clog up the emails and phone lines of not only Rogers personal email and phone, but also the members of his church, and association. http://pulpitandpen.org/2013/12/30/sermon-notes/
First of all, Hall does not even tell his followers just what it is that Rogers is supposed to “repent of”. The only guess one could make is James White’s tweet accusing Rogers of violation 1 Timothy 5:19, which in itself, shows a clear ignorance of Scripture on the part of both White and Hall.
Secondly, Hall conveniently leaves out the tweets where Rogers asked him not to call him.
It is obvious that Hall is merely posting this information because he knows that it annoys Rogers, and is using it to harass Rogers for demanding that James White answer to allegations about covering up his sisters sexual abuse.
Perhaps we should contact all the members of Hall’s cult church, and send all of them a link to Patty Bond’s (James White’s sister) story of sexual abuse, and how White responded to it (and still responds to it), to see what it is their beloved Jesuit pastor is defending.
You know, for  Calvinists that believe that God must grant someone repentance (they did refer to Rogers as an unsaved child of his father the devil), Hall and White sure do a lot of begging other Non Calvinists to repent.
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North Carolina Statute on Stalking and Harassment

§ 14-196.  Using profane, indecent or threatening language to any person over telephone; annoying or harassing by repeated telephoning or making false statements over telephone.

(a)        It shall be unlawful for any person:

(1)        To use in telephonic communications any words or language of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious or indecent character, nature or connotation;

(2)        To use in telephonic communications any words or language threatening to inflict bodily harm to any person or to that person’s child, sibling, spouse, or dependent or physical injury to the property of any person, or for the purpose of extorting money or other things of value from any person;

(3)        To telephone another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing or embarrassing any person at the called number;

(4)        To make a telephone call and fail to hang up or disengage the connection with the intent to disrupt the service of another;

(5)        To telephone another and to knowingly make any false statement concerning death, injury, illness, disfigurement, indecent conduct or criminal conduct of the person telephoned or of any member of his family or household with the intent to abuse, annoy, threaten, terrify, harass, or embarrass;

(6)        To knowingly permit any telephone under his control to be used for any purpose prohibited by this section.

(b)        Any of the above offenses may be deemed to have been committed at either the place at which the telephone call or calls were made or at the place where the telephone call or calls were received. For purposes of this section, the term “telephonic communications” shall include communications made or received by way of a telephone answering machine or recorder, telefacsimile machine, or computer modem.

(c)        Anyone violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. (1913, c. 35; 1915, c. 41; C.S., s. 4351; 1967, c. 833, s. 1; 1989, c. 305; 1993, c. 539, s. 128; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1999-262, s. 1; 2000-125, s. 2.)

SICK of Baptist Perverts

Posted: November 2, 2013 in IFB, NEWS, Uncategorized

Once again, another fundamental Baptist pastor makes the headlines for sexual abuse of a minor. On October 27, 2013, the Administrator of the Kings Way Christian School wrote a letter to all of the parents of its students stating that the ministry had accepted Pastor Bill Wininger’s resignation.

http://douglasville.11alive.com/news/news/473972-douglasville-pastor-quits-after-child-molestation-allegations-surface

Bill Wininger was the pastor of Kings Way Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, where he had been the pastor for 15 years until his recent resignation was given over allegations of sexual abuse by Bethany Leonard, who wrote an 11 page letter detailing her charges.

According to other news sources, similar allegations had surfaced in a previous church where Wininger was associated, and he wrote a book called, “A Church Falsely Accused”.

Here’s my idea for a book, “If Thine Anatomy Offends One of These Little Ones CUT IT OFF” I am so sick of reading about preachers in trusted positions manipulating and abusing young children while naming the name of Christ. God did not give you eyeballs to look upon a woman and child with lust. God did not give you hands to grope and feel up a little kid, and God did not give you a mouth to talk sexually to vulnerable children.

And those of you who work around these preachers that know exactly what is going on, WHERE ARE YOUR GONADS?? You gutless cowards make me sick and I would enjoy just 2 minutes alone with one of you perverts and your defenders to see how much of a man you really are. That child was fearfully and wonderfully made, and was not put on this earth to be the object of your sick affection. And the next time I am in the United States, and I visit one of your churches, I DARE one of you sissies to make a snide comment about this article. Grow up and act like men. “Oh but we’ll hurt the cause of Christ if we report it, who will run the church?” You moron, it’s GOD’S CHURCH, not the preachers, and it’s hurting the cause of Christ MORE by these actions, and you thin-skinned yellow bellies that keep it quiet.

There are thousands of Baptists who love the Lord, and strive to live lives pleasing to God, and study vigorously to win others to Christ, and you IDIOTS make it that much harder every time some new report comes out about another Baptist preacher that can’t keep his zipper intact.

Baptist preachers, deacons, church members, you have GOT to start standing up to the perverts in your church or the church is going to lose all credibility in its witness to the world, and lives are going to be devastated trying to overcome the abuse that your trusted ministers have put them through. If you are a church member that simply doesn’t care, well then stay home and shut up. But if you actually care, then start holding members and church leaders accountable. Now I’m not talking about unsubstantiated gossip, but if you KNOW something is going on, then be a Nathan and claim “Thou art the man”. This nonsense needs to stop in our churches. It’s pathetic.

Dr. James Ach

From the Jerusalem Post

Palestinian Authority president tells pope he hopes to sign peace treaty with Israel.

Pope Francis hosts Abbas at Vatican

Pope Francis hosts Abbas at Vatican Photo: REUTERS

During their first meeting in the Vatican, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday invited Pope Francis to visit the Holy Land.

Francis welcomed Abbas and presented him with a gift in appreciation of his efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East, the PA’s official news agency Wafa reported.

After the private part of the meeting, the pope gave Abbas a pen, telling him, “surely, you have a lot of things you have to sign.”

Abbas responded: “I hope to sign a peace treaty with Israel with this pen.”

Abbas’s spokesman Nabil Abu Rudaineh; Ziad al-Bandak, PA adviser on Christian affairs; and Bethlehem Mayor Vera Baboun attended Abbas’s Thursday meeting with the pope.

Francis, who was ordained in March of this year, has already said he would like to come to the Holy Land in response to a personal invitation from President Shimon Peres in April.

But no date has been set for such a visit, even though reports surfaced that the pope would come in March of next year. A Vatican spokesman said that while the pontiff was eager to visit Jerusalem, no specific plans have been made.

When Francis arrives, it is expected he would visit both Israel and the Palestinian territories, as did Pope Benedict XVI in 2009, and John Paul II in 2000.

To date there have been only three papal visits to the Holy Land.

Abbas’s visit with Francis follows on the heels of an announcement Wednesday night, that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu plans to meet with the pope in the Vatican next Wednesday.

Alex Jones and Anthony Gucciardi discuss the termination of  Navy Vice Admiral Tim Giardina and Maj. Gen. Michael Carey following leaked information about nuclear warhead transfers.

Click Here Missing Nuke Investigation

In other news:

Common Core Dirty Little Secret “There are four hundred points of data being collected, monitored and stored on every child in the American education system. Monitoring devices are being implemented in our children’s classrooms. All of this is being done under the guise of education reform.”

Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Find Terrorist Tunnel in Gaza 

NSA Spycamp Goes Up In Flames, Delays Program For One Year

California Signs Bill Allowing Nurses to Perform Abortions

Pentagon Spent $5 Billion on Weapons Eve of Government Shutdown

Ranger Told To Make Life Miserable For Citizens During Shutdown

Federal Attorney Warns of Negative Comments About Islam Could Lead to Prosecution and Imprisonment

Newspaper Sues For Names of Gun Owners

RFID Chip Part of Obama Health Care Law (“Obamacare”) (Begins with Ron Paul and Megan Kelly from the US Fox News)

Russia Cracks Down on Russian Muslims-300 Arrested (America could learn a few things from “Profiling” of terrorists and homosexuality from the Russians!)

Joel Osteen God Absolutely Accepts Homosexuals

Obama Uses Own Money to Fund Muslim Museum During Government Shutdown “Washington, DC — While up to 800,000 federal workers faced life without a paycheck as Day Two of the government shutdown kicked in, President Barack Obama held a press conference to announce that he is using his own money to open the federally funded International Museum of Muslim Cultures”

We recently published an article titled “Did James White Hack Norman Geisler’s Website?” and laid out the grounds for the assertion that White worked with members who obtained information off of Norman Geisler’s website illicitly.

Our suspicions were confirmed by several others including some of those who were skeptical of our article. However, we did manage to track down the source of the information that others were given access to, and are 110% certain that the website was indeed hacked to obtain this information.

The sad story behind this on both sides is that White relied on information that was hacked and using information gathered by Islamic extremists instead of addressing issues about Ergun Caner based on information that clearly demonstrates inconsistencies in Caner’s own stories and explanations from Caner’s own lips. White has more than enough evidence amassed against Caner without the necessity of information gathered illicitly from Islamic sources. White can attack Caner’s credibility on the merits of Caner’s own testimony without scoring “brownie points” with Muslims by relying on material they have provided.

On the other hand, even though the information was obtained unlawfully, it is now “out there”. Although we do not believe White has made a case against Geisler per se by referencing information posted on Geisler’s website (as it appears that Geisler by White’s own admission did not author the Defense of Caner, and it does not appear that Geisler maintains the website bearing his name), and that White has merely assumed a respondeat superior claim, there is clear evidence that not only have the properties of the Caner Defense been removed, but the letter itself has had several clauses altered that had previously been part of the public document.

Ironically, we sent the webmaster of the website an email about our concerns that the website may have been hacked on September 14, 2013, and on September 15, the properties of the Caner Defense were removed and no reply was given to our inquiry.

It would be hypocritical for us to “call out” our own Baptist churches regarding many of the cover ups we have seen regarding sexual abuse allegations, and not state our concerns about the Caner issue since we have sort of “stepped in it” because frankly, we just don’t like James White’s theology nor the attitude towards his sister, Patty Bonds, when she attempted to discuss her sexual abuse with him at the hands of their father. White has not responded to this and his followers write it off as “well she’s an emotionally distraught Catholic”.  As much as we despise the Roman Catholic Church, we don’t ignore claims of sexual abuse and ridicule the victim merely because they belong to a religion that we have a disdain for.  But as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and as much as it pains us to admit it, White is absolutely correct in his assessment of Ergun Caner’s dishonesty and lack of response to some serious allegations.

We have no axe to grind with Geisler or Caner. We do not agree with them on the KJVO issue, but have some common ground in our views on Calvinism and general apologetics. While we feel that because of White’s tactics and often misrepresenting his opponents views and attacking their characters has led many to be reluctant in demanding that Caner admit to his folly out of fear that it will “chalk one up” for the Reformers, even Christ told his followers that the Pharisees were right about a few things (Matthew 23:3). “He that covereth his sins shall not prosper..” (Prov 28:13), and ” a good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.” Prov 22:1.  “Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.” Romans 12:17.

Having a good name is important when involved in ministry that attracts much public attention. If the gospel is preached under known false pretenses it damages the testimony of the body of Christ. Paul stated that he kept his body under subjection lest he should become a castaway, useless to the ministry. Too many churches these days are operating under the guise that it is better to cover up sin, keep it quiet because “it will damage the church” if the matter is known (like excuses we received over Mark Chappell), rather than to come clean and let God take care of the consequences. Some refer to this as “manning up”.

So to Ergun Caner we say, “Man up”.

To James White we say, “GROW up”.