Do Right Group Defends Satanism

Posted: January 14, 2013 in Trisha Fundamental Revolution Occult

In a recent post by Monica Weimer, regular Do Right Hyles Anderson Facebook group contributor (DRHAC), Monica posts the following article taken from the “Church of Satan”

Third, we call for the re-establishment of Lex Talionis throughout human society. The Judeo-Christian tradition which exists secularly under the guise of liberal humanism has exalted the criminal over the victim, taking responsibility away from the wrong-doer with their doctrine of forgiveness. Such thinking is a disgrace towards the ideal of justice. This must stop! Individuals must be held accountable for the consequences of their actions, and not be allowed to scapegoat society, history, or other supposed “outside” influences. It should come as no surprise that many Satanists are part of law enforcement agencies, and a large number of people throughout this and other criminal justice systems who fully agree with Satanic philosophy on this point. If the law is not being enforced, Satanists advocate the practice of seeking personal justice, but you are warned to be fully aware of the consequences of such actions in today’s corrupt society. With the present state of affairs, the outcry may yet come to welcome justice back to stay.”~~~Magus Peter H. Gilmore

Monica follows up the article with here take on it as follows:

And we were told that Satanists are evil. I am reading the Church of Satan’s website to see what they really believe and practice. We have been lied to by those who know nothing about Satanism.

We have had conversations before with Monica on this site where she admitted to adhering to atheism and was openly hostile to Christianity. So I am not surprised to this article on the DRHAC page, especially with the other philosophies that this group adheres to. What I am surprised to see though are the several members I thought at least maintained some form of Biblical based beliefs defending this post.

Does it matter what Satanists “really believe”? Two things are known fact about Satanists: they glorified Satan, and they are openly hostile towards any form of Biblical Christianity. But, according to the Church of Satan, and Monica, we Christians have “misrepresented” their real beliefs. Although I suppose the very name they gave themselves, “Church of Satan” isn’t caveat enough, suppose I started a “church” and called it “The Church of Baby Killers”, would it really be necessary to accurately explain every tenet of “faith” that I held when the name itself implies something ominous?

Monica then encourages the group to “…. explore and learn outside your norm, research other philosophies, challenge yourself to see how much you have been lied to about them.” Translation: study anything but Christianity. Be openly tolerant of all views accept for those that revolve around the Bible. Research material that is intellectually dishonest, shallow in reasoning, absent of evidence, and full of supposition and hateful rhetoric towards Christians.

What did tickle me though was one member claiming they are saved but do not wish to “demonize” other beliefs. How does one inaccurately “demonize” a “religion” that openly claims to submit to demons! It is this type of compromise from Christians that are willing to embrace the beliefs and fellowship of other philosophies that are antagonist to even their own professions that make groups like the DRHAC poisonous to Christians, but for the sake of a common cause (exposing the corruption in churches), they are willing to trade in their Bibles for pitchforks.

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  1. Monica Weimer says:

    Just want to point out just one lie here, which was my point in posting this in the first place….you know, that christian leaders lie! “Two things are known fact about Satanists: they glorified Satan,….” No, the Anton LaVey Satanists do not believe in the existance of a literal Satan, only you christians do. I was very surprisingly shocked by what I read from the source itself to find what they believe. Nothing at all what christians have claimed, in fact, the actual so called “Satan worshipers” are rebelious kids who set out to piss their parents off by “worshipping” their parents most feared enemy who doesn’t even exist. Funny actually, these Satan worshipping wannabees are what you christians have created to offer these children to rebel against in anger towards your forced fed phoney bs religion.

    • drjamesa says:

      I’m going to post this just so people can see how ridiculous you sound!

      Anton Lavey certainly believed in the devil when he started the church of Satan. In a 1970 documentary, he said “I’m in a league with the Devil as much as any mortal can possible be”. In his Satanic Bible he said, “The Devil was much more than that [an anthropomorphic deity]. Satan represented a dark, hidden force in nature that was responsible for the workings of earthly affairs for which science and religion had no explanation and no control.” – Satanic Bible, pages 16-17.

      So Anton certainly did believe in Satan. It was only in his later years that he began calling the devil a metaphysical element of his psyche and not a personal devil as a separate entity, but he still called it a devil. So whether the concept he believed in was a literal Satan, or a figurative one that described his “psyche” he still glorified him regardless of which concept of the 2 you ascribe to him.

      Secondly, since you are referring to this as a lie, may I point out a “lie” of your own. Muslims believe in a literal Satan as well. Although the two religions are diabolically opposed to each other, it proves that you lied according to how you define lying.

      And frankly, for a Christian, it doesn’t really matter whether the concept of Satanism is given a 100% accurate description, those following Satanism in it’s current form or original form still believe they are worshiping Satan, or are die hard atheists, all condemned by God. And the amount of murders that have been attributed to professed Satanists (especially during Mardi Gras) show that it is a little more than just a belief adhered to to “p**s off [kids] parents”.

      And atheism has sure worked well for the communist countries. And you think fundamentalism is bad! Yes, we got some fruit-loops in fundamentalism,but compared to Stalin* who brutally tortured and murdered 20 million people (and let’s not forget Lenin, and Tung, devout atheists, just those 3 alone, Stalin, Lenin, Tung, account for the deaths of over 100 million Christians, Jews, and other citizens of their own countries), you’d be hard-pressed in any attempt to prove that atheism is a more sound system than Christianity when you use abuse to define Christianity.

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      * “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God…all this talk about God is sheer nonsense” in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

  2. Kia says:

    I was referred to this particular post by someone- trying to convince me to leave the DRHAC group because they “Supported Satanism”… and I just have to say,

    Wow, drjamesa- You are so Godly and Christlike! Publicly shaming another human being like that! 🙂 I love that verse in the Bible where Christ says, “I am going to [share] this just so people can see how ridiculous you sound!” It does however contradict the verse where he says, ” But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” but I am sure he wasn’t talking about YOU when he said that one… (I am being facetious to prove a point… Are you REALLY being Christlike with your words here?)

    You mention the amount of murders attributed to Satanists, but let me ask you- what about the Crusades? What about all the people CHRISTIANS have slaughtered in the “Name of God”… Or the hatred spewed by “Christians” for ANYONE who believes different or questions their beliefs? Jesus says to hate someone is just as bad as killing them…

    I PERSONALLY believe the Bible- when it says, “11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.12 No man hath seen God at any time.

    If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

    13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.

    God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him

    .17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.19 We love him, because he first loved us.20

    If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not
    his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”

    I am not an athiest. I am not a Satanist… I don’t even call myself a Christian, due to the negative taste left in my mouth by those who claim the title “Christian”, however, I DO believe in following the TEACHINGS of Christ. Christ taught me to love my enemies and pray for those that persecute me…

    If you would step down off the pedestal of the “Christian Elite” (Christ referred to them as the Pharisees, and had quite a BIT to say about those who persecuted people for not believing the way they did…) and get to KNOW Monica Weimer, as I have had the privilege of doing, you would see that she is a wonderful woman with a heart that is full of love. She and I have never had any issues with each other- She knows I believe differently than she does, and I know she believes differently than I do, but we are friends… WHY? because we are willing to look past our differences and find common ground… Maybe you should try to look past the things that you don’t like about people and try to see the heart of those you like to verbally destroy here on this site…

    • drjamesa says:

      You have the typical mentality against any Christian that preaches against sin, that it is unloving. Perhaps you could read our section about “Would a Loving God Send Anyone To Hell” and see what the Bible says about the verses you are taking out of context.

      This is not my first rodeo with Monica. She and I have had numerous other debates on here over the span of at least 7 months about atheism, but of course, you prematurely write that I need to “get to know her” without knowing that there is a history there. I don’t need to get to know someone personally to identify the fallacy of their belief system when it is contrary to the Bible and logic. Ghandi and Mother Theresa were both great moral people and kind, and they were both as equally wrong about Jesus Christ as an atheist is.

      And the Crusades were conducted by the Roman Catholic Church of whom Baptists have never been a part of. Baptists have never been Protestant nor Roman Catholic, and the Bible specifically identifies the Roman system as the whore of Babylon that was never, EVER Christian. Revelation chapters 17-18. So you can’t blame Christians for the Crusades.

      And how do you define “hate”? Because I say homosexuality is a sin, I hate homosexuals? Because I say atheism is wrong, I hate atheists? How do you make the leap from disagreeing with someones belief system to a personal level of hatred? That’s a leap that you can not connect any dots on because it is pure supposition.

      Now lets address your Biblical claims:

      “Wow, drjamesa- You are so Godly and Christlike! Publicly shaming another human being like that! I love that verse in the Bible where Christ says, “I am going to [share] this just so people can see how ridiculous you sound!” It does however contradict the verse where he says, ” But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” but I am sure he wasn’t talking about YOU when he said that one… (I am being facetious to prove a point… Are you REALLY being Christlike with your words here?)”

      First of all, if a person claims to be an atheist, he/she is not my brother which is who this verse is directed at. Secondly, it says “angry WITHOUT A CAUSE”. When someone slanders my Saviour, I have every right and Biblical obligation to be enraged.

      Then, you quote a plethora of verses about love, but Jesus said “If you love me, keep my commandments” John 14:15. And I John 2:3-4 “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

      When a person claims to be a Christian, but despises God’s commands about homosexuality, the Bible being the word of God, the deity of Christ, that person is a liar. God is a God of love, but He is also a consuming fire. Heb 12:29. Many of those who enjoy partnering with unbelievers and those who adhere to beliefs hostile toward Christians love to site all the “love” verses, and ignore the commands. If there were no rules to love there wouldn’t be a judgement seat.

      You seem to be OK with exposing other Christians, but don’t apply that same standard when that crowd is in the wrong. Expose Christians when THEY are wrong, but to expose OUR crowd is being “unloving”.

      And to be quite honest, the most unloving thing a person can do is cause a person to turn away from belief in God by propagating lies about God and His word. That goes for charlatan preachers as well as atheists. When you teach something to somebody that results in subjecting them to an eternity in a burning lake of fire, that is the most unloving action there can be. If a Christian yokes with unbelievers and then convinces victims that they should have more confidence in man’s psychology than in the Person of Jesus Christ for healing, that is far more unloving than what the perpetrator themselves did to the victim, and creates an entire new breed of problems.

      Hundreds of people have left these groups because they were sick of being told they had to agree with the sentiments of those who are antagonistic to the Bible and Christianity. Just because abuse is a problem, does not mean that Christians have to give up their faith, and agree with atheists and homosexuals about how to address it, and that’s exactly what DRHAC and other groups have done, and because of that, they lost the support and respect of many Christians in those groups, and rightly so.

  3. Monica Weimer says:

    No James, we have not had numerous debates on here…over the span of 7 months, I didn’t even know about you that long ago. That “lie” that I said “only you christians believe in Satan.” I am not aware of what Muslims believe. The point still stands, you have no clue what Satanists believe yet you will lie to keep your people fearfull of this imaginary enemy. Oh and you really ought to research the history of the baptist lineage, this movement is not much more than 100 years old.

    • drjamesa says:

      But according to your logic, a lie is a lie regardless of whether or not you have all the facts. You called me a liar, but then said I don’t have a clue because I don’t know the facts. So that says that I am a liar even if I don’t have all the facts. Therefore even if you don’t have all the facts about Islam, yet you still claimed that only Christians believe in Satan, according to your own standards you are still a liar.

      And I have studied the Baptist lineage quite thoroughly, and you saying that it is not much more than 100 years old shows how much you haven’t studied it. The first church that used the term was in 1609, under John Smyth. Even one of our America’s most popular preachers, Roger Williams, was a famous Baptist, and he established his first BAPTIST church in 1638. That’s quite a bit more than “100 years old”.

      Furthermore, when you study those Baptist churches, you also find out what groups they came from before they were called Baptists, and the line goes all the back to the first New Testament churches.

  4. Monica Weimer says:

    The point is that atheists and satanists do not believe in a literal satan figure, only you religious folks do, regardless what religion that do or doesn’t isn’t the point. Christians believe in Satan, non-religious people do not! You are a master manipulator of words. You should not preach lies if in fact you do not have accurate knowlege on the information. I should have been more specific, Independent fundamental Baptists is a 100 year old movement.

    • drjamesa says:

      First of all, your very first point is a new argument that you have added to the equation. The original statement you posited was that SATANISTS do not believe in a literal Satan, not atheists. Most atheists I know do not believe in Satan, but I know some that do, but again, that wasn’t the issue.

      The issue you raised was whether or not Satanists believe in the devil, which I already showed that some do, but if I can show just ONE Satanist that believes in a literal devil, then according to your rules. You are still a liar. It took me about 5 seconds to find one. http://inpraiseofsatan.webs.com/satanicfaqs.htm

      And just because the NAME of the “independent Baptist church” is only 100 years old, does not mean the MOVEMENT is different (and “movement” is a misnomer anyway, but for argument’s sake, I’ll use it). It is like a family owned store that has been owned for generations. We’ll take the Smith Chocolate Store (“SCS”). The SCS was founded in 1800. After the owners died, the company passed on to their children, who then changed the name to Smith and Johnson Chocolate Store. Then it was passed on again after their deaths, and renamed Smith and Smith Chocolates.
      Smith and Smith Chocolates claim they have been in business for over 100 years according to their current owner, but is that true? Yes, it’s the exact same company even though the name has changed.
      The independent Baptists can trace their lineage to the anabaptists, to the Paulicans, Bogomiles, Donatasts, Montanists all the way to the first new testament churches. So the term independent Baptist church is only a newer name, not a newer church.

      So you can continue making sweeping generalizations that you can’t back up, and I’ll keep debunking your flawed assumptions and theories.

      PS. Just in case you attempt to rebut with “Oh that guy’s not a REAL Satanist”, here’s a Wikipedia page that defines Satanism as well as documentation of other sources that have “theistic satanism” and “atheistic satanism”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

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