This week in search of some intelligent life over at the Stuffed Undies Like website, I found just another typical example of how the anti-fundamentalist crowd and disgruntled ex-“fundies” misrepresent Baptists and in this instance just blatantly lie about what a Baptist preacher said.
The SFL’s Unholy See, Darrell Dow, posted a video of a Baptist pastor, Marvin Smith, telling a story about a deacon imprisoned for sexual abuse.  Darrell title’s the video on his Facebook page “Marvin Smith tells us what causes men to become child molesters. (Hint: It’s Internet porn)”.
I’m wondering if we watched the same video or did I get the URL wrong? It’s a 2:32 minute video, surely it wouldn’t be that hard for Darrell and all of those accredited-degree wielding geniuses who are all members of the most astute and dignified universities of America (I’m making assumptions about the degrees since they put so much emphasis on it, I must assume they all themselves have degrees) to find the reference where the pastor blames subjects abuse on internet porn.
At the 54 second mark, Marvin states that the deacon admitted that his internet life was messed up. At the 2:26 mark, Marvin states that the man walked after the imagination of his heart. Not once in this 2 minute video excerpt does this pastor blame the deacons actions on just the internet porn.
Perhaps the SFL crowd is angry about the reference to internet porn because they would prefer not to have internet porn censored. There is a common theme in counseling circles called “GIGO-Garbage In, Garbage Out” and this is certainly a Biblical concept [And my sincere apologies for the use of the term “Biblical”, that’s a term that the SFL crowd and the “do righters” say is “fundy language”]. Proverbs 23:7 says “as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he”. Jesus said that if a man looks upon a woman with lust in his heart, he has committed adultery. Matthew 5:28. Job said he made a covenant with his eyes, why then should he look on a maid. Job 31:1. And David said “I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes”. Psalm 101:3. And Jesus said out of the heart proceeds evil. Mark 7:21.
So how is what this pastor said somehow in error? Not only did he not say what Darrell said he did, what he said was perfectly legitimate. If a person saturates their mind with garbage and does not “cast down imagination” (2 Cor 10:4-5) ultimately he will act on those imaginations. But I suspect that with the type of crowd that critiqued this excerpt, they want to separate porn from actions of immorality so that they can justify watching it themselves since adultery and fornication are not considered crimes and they tend to limit their slander of fundamentalism against church members who have been convicted of breaking sex crime laws.
Darrell has a peanut gallery where comments can be posted so I figure we’d post a few to show how utterly depraved and ignorant this crowd is.
So this guy candidly acknowledges that he knew the guy was unrepentant, that he told the wife the man was unrepentant, and YET HE NEVER ENACTED CHURCH DISCIPLINE against a man engaged in gross sin who was unrepentant. That’s a Baptist for you! Everything except the remedy commanded in Scripture.
Next, the Lord Jesus taught that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what proceeds from his heart. A child molester is not coerced to molest because of porn. His wicked heart prompts him to molest.
This comment is from Jeri Massi, the self-proclaimed correcter of any doctrine written or preached by a fundamentalist. For Jeri Massi, if it’s not in the stars (and I mean that literally as she even uses astrology to bet on fights) it’s not in the Bible.
Now of the 2 minutes we heard, the pastor merely said he talked to the deacon AFTER HIS RELEASE FROM PRISON. The deacon had not done anything wrong YET, so just how is a pastor supposed to administer church discipline? This isn’t Hollywood where punishment occurs before a crime is committed. The pastor did what he should have and told his wife to keep him away from their children. Isn’t that part of what the anti-fundamentalist crowd always complains about, is that the pastor never says anything? This pastor is in an independent Baptist church talking about sexual abuse. I guess that fact slipped the minds of everyone of the accusers on the SFL page since they commonly accuse Baptists of never talking about these issues in church.
Yet somehow, the anti-fundamentalist commentators find a way to malign this pastor’s character for doing the right thing: warning those close to the deacon that this man is not fit to be around children. What the wife does with that information can not be controlled by the pastor. We don’t know where the abuse took place, and can only assume that it took place in their home (which is out of the pastors reach) because had it happened in the church, the wife would likely not have had to tell the pastor about his subsequent offense.
Furthermore, the pastor says that “I talked to A deacon of A fundamental Baptist church” (emphasis added). It does not appear that Marvin is the pastor of the Central Baptist Church where this was recorded, and since the subject he spoke of was not directly under his authority, he was not in a position to dictate church discipline if an offense had been committed.
And then, Jeri finishes her comment by repeating what the pastor said and acting as if he didn’t say it! Had the pastor exercised any church discipline, they probably would have criticized that, too.
That’s a Baptist critic for you.
Kreine March 7, 2013 at 12:45 am
And after having watched the vid, I call baloney on the guy’s story. Too many details changed. Song leader to deacon, children to grandchildren, knew the couple previously from a town, wife had to move to that town…
So just how many details does one need to get right in a 2 minutes video?! The preacher said he talked to the man after he was released from prison, he didn’t say that he was currently a deacon. And, small churches often can have a deacon be both a deacon and a song leader.
Of course, Kreine changed his/her tune, when someone else said it is not that “incoherent” and then claimed that her own father was both a deacon and song leader. But his/her own words were “TOO MANY DETAILS CHANGED. SONG LEADER TO DEACON”. Kreine’s post emphatic about the apparent contradiction and even used it as the basis to call the story “baloney”.
I certainly hope “Kreine” isn’t one of SFL’s Harvard Alumni.
Big Gary March 7, 2013 at 12:02 pm
To make the analogy clearer:
Most child molesters wear clothes. Nudists could argue that wearing clothes puts a person on the path to child molestation …
Child Molesters also comb their hair, so that would make everyone that combs their hair a potential child molester. That is one of the most ridiculous analogies I have ever heard. Clothes are not directly related to sexual gratification unless you have a clothing fetish. There’s a reason that a Child Molester watches porn instead of reading the Kohl’s clothing catalog.
And what’s worse about this comment is that the next poster said it made sense!
I’m assuming those two graduated from Yale.
Now here is a guy that actually made some sense proving that there is hope lurking among the restless disaffected SFL crowd:
Mr Jenkins March 7, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Yet another post that just proves that you people really are off your rockers. I have no idea what this video is about since I haven’t even watched it. But, it sounds as if a Baptist is trying to say that things like abuse are bad and that porn is unhealthy. Three-hundred-sixty-four days a year you people come on here and complain about being a victim of this pastor and a victim of that IFB person. In some cases I’m sure you actually are telling the truth and have a legitimate right to complain. But, now that an IFB person is apparently saying that sexual abuse is wrong and that porn is unhealthy, all of a sudden you think that sexual abuse is way overblown, not that big of a deal, and that porn is great and something we should all have the right to engage in with great gusto. Porn is a scourge and more harmful than probably most people realize. Years ago a person had to go out to a bad neighborhood and buy it, hoping no one saw you. Now it is available for free and in the privacy of your home at any time or day of the year with no challenge at all. It has corrupted the morals of our country and world and will only continue to do so. Just because an IFB person says porn is bad, you suddently turn into a Jekyll-Hyde character and all of a sudden stop your crusade “against IFB abuse” and now claim, “How dare anyone stop me from accessing as much porn as possible and saying I can’t enjoy as much sexual unrestraint as I want!” The hypocrisy of this blog is just stunning.
And of course, something a die-hard Darrellite can never do is admit when they are either wrong or when their hypocrisy is pointed out, so they do what they do best, attack the poster and change the subject to something else with “but what about…” non sequitur debates.
And we’re nearing the finish line with Dr Fundystand Proctologist (No he’s not a real proctologist, he just plays one on SFL where scores of people with fake profiles can accuse others of being fake. To be “real” you must have your certified SFL Fake ID profile).
Assuming this guy is telling the truth (which I don’t), how does he qualify as a behavioral specialist? This is a common theme in fundy preaching: just basically making things up. Hey, let’s all play “Spot the Missing Major Premise”! I love that game…
So now only a “behavior specialist” can claim that porn is bad? I can see the rebellious children now; “Mom, I don’t have to go to bed and get 8 hours of sleep before school, are you a behavior specialist?” Since the Procto wants to play, how about play “Spot the Missing Major Premise From a Two Minute Edited Excerpt”.
Dr Fundystan obviously got his earned doctorate from Stanford.
I wonder if “behavior specialists” that disagree with each other cancel each other out! I mean, should a person see a cognitive therapist or a psychotherapist?
And of course we know that “behavioral therapists” are well above immorality and beyond reproach. (See Abuse By Psychiatrists on our Facebook page.)
We have not given up all hope though, if evolutionists are dumb enough to keep looking for missing links, I guess we’ll continue our search for a few ourselves over at the Stuffed Undies Like crowd to find some kind of connection between a human being and common sense.